War on Terror

[Airsofter92]

Should the US have ever invaded Iraq? Even when Hussein Regime was toppled, should the US have continue there operations there?

[水曜日]

wel we all kinda know why the US invaded, but lets just say the US really wanted to Help, i feel the US should have set up the means for Iraq to govern them selves, rather than try to fix everything like SuperMan

[saekheart]

of course we should! the detroyed our twin towers and pentagon! we need to totally annihilate them to show the world who is boss

[水曜日]

hmm u say dey destroyed the twin tower, but thats not been proven, and for iraq to harm US in such a big way is highly unlikely...


i mean best DEF in the world and u let that happen from a noob country ?... don't think so

its like saying a ten year old suplexed a pro wrestler, and the wrestler says " i wasn't ready"

planes travel fast but not that fast for no one to have notice

world already knows who runs things, which is the problem.....

personaly i dont like US government and wht dey stand for, but what der doing it quite clever.... der only mistake is assuming the rest of the world will just obey what they say if dey have alot of power....

hitler thought the same way and look wot happend, also US should look out for China... seeing as der buying everything up and as we know, china produce most of the worlds items which means use most of the worlds oil to do so

and we all know that currently oil = POWER!

[saekheart]

hmm u say dey destroyed the twin tower, but thats not been proven, and for iraq to harm US in such a big way is highly unlikely...


i mean best DEF in the world and u let that happen from a noob country ?... don't think so

its like saying a ten year old suplexed a pro wrestler, and the wrestler says " i wasn't ready"

planes travel fast but not that fast for no one to have notice

world already knows who runs things, which is the problem.....

personaly i dont like US government and wht dey stand for, but what der doing it quite clever.... der only mistake is assuming the rest of the world will just obey what they say if dey have alot of power....

hitler thought the same way and look wot happend, also US should look out for China... seeing as der buying everything up and as we know, china produce most of the worlds items which means use most of the worlds oil to do so

and we all know that currently oil = POWER!

wut do u mean it has never been proven that iraqians destroyed the twin tower? there was videos that it happened, many ppl died. movies were made about it and ur saying all that never happened? and for the US government i agree, they should wach out for china cuz china is startin to take over. but of course they r takin over! they hav jackie chan =D

[水曜日]

wut do u mean it has never been proven that iraqians destroyed the twin tower? there was videos that it happened, many ppl died. movies were made about it and ur saying all that never happened?


okoko in the UK 50% of time news shows, a teen being killed, and the news/ police blame black teens for the crime most of time.... now alot of people belive black teens kill people all the time...

so im a black teen, i kill people? my frineds kill people? im labled a potentional killer due to some noobs who are quick to blame or cant be botherd to figure out why things happen say so?


look at michael jackson thing... came on TV that he raped them kids.... he went court found guilty.... bla bla bla so we all belived it...

den he dies.... kids comes out that his dad told him to say them things to get money...


dont belive everything u see and hear unless u was 100% der

im sure u dont belive magic tricks u watch on tv, even if they claim its real

[saekheart]

umm i never said that all iraqians destroyed the twin towers, just the ones under osama bin ladens command. and u seriously dont believe ANYTHING on the news? u hav to admit SOME things on the news r true. and if u still dont believe it then i guess wen the news wus talkin bout really high gas prices then it wus just a big lie and gas was NEVER 5 bux (or close to it) each gallon. or that cessna layed off 10k ppl wus just a trick too.

[Paranoid007]

umm i never said that all iraqians destroyed the twin towers, just the ones under osama bin ladens command. and u seriously dont believe ANYTHING on the news? u hav to admit SOME things on the news r true. and if u still dont believe it then i guess wen the news wus talkin bout really high gas prices then it wus just a big lie and gas was NEVER 5 bux (or close to it) each gallon. or that cessna layed off 10k ppl wus just a trick too.

satire is awesome :)

and no we should never have invaded the casus belli we gave was pretty smelly BS but now that we are there we need to do as much as we can do to keep the whole Jenga Tower we built from falling over. now that we've pulled out of the cities/towns we can see if the violence doesn't explode (no pun intended) and if it doesn't than we should be well on our way of pulling out completely by the summer of 2011 (i believe that's the current timetable). we should of course transfer some of those troops over to Afghanistan, not simply bring them all home but thats a different discussion i suppose

[Sano]

nvm after doing some research, I will remain on the sidelines to this topic

[khaos12]

of course we should! the detroyed our twin towers and pentagon! we need to totally annihilate them to show the world who is boss

That was not the Iraqis

Iraq quite literally had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11

Americans have a ridiculous amount of ignorance about these things.:mad0218:

[saekheart]

O.o im pretty sure osama bin laden is iraqian....

[lildragongirl19]

O.o im pretty sure osama bin laden is iraqian....

Um, I'm fairly certain that bin Laden was originally from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. And al-Queda's headquarters are believed to be posted somewhere along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. Again, not Iraq.

For the sake of this topic, I honestly am not very knowledgable about such things, and I apologize for my ignorance. Altough I know it's important to be elightened on current events, I intentionally avoid news and reports because I just can't stand hearing nothing but depressing and tragic stories. It's too sad. So, here's an opinion from one along the sidelines.

I truly believe the intentions of the US government are good. We have the ability, the resources, and power to instigate change in places that are struggling. Of course, do we always have to meddle in every single affair we lay our eyes upon? I don't think so, but we do anyway. If we weren't so persistent on trying to change everything to be right according to our views, we wouldn't be getting into so many conflicts with areas such as the Middle East.

But regardless, we still are involved, and now since we are there's no way we can pull out without finishing what was started. I see signs and read short pleadings posted everywehre: "Bring our troops home!" But honestly, how can we? We've completely uprooted systems and governments that we perceived as "wrong" in an attempt to transform them. If we suddenly say, "Okay, you're on your own now," then the land will plummet into chaos. Those countries aren't ready to stand on they're own quite yet. All I can hope for is that we are finally able to stand aside and allow the countries to finish healing on their own, form their own methods and communities, and guide/govern themselves again.

[Paranoid007]

I truly believe the intentions of the US government are good. We have the ability, the resources, and power to instigate change in places that are struggling. Of course, do we always have to meddle in every single affair we lay our eyes upon? I don't think so, but we do anyway. If we weren't so persistent on trying to change everything to be right according to our views, we wouldn't be getting into so many conflicts with areas such as the Middle East.

and this is precisely our problem, we think we are right all the time and believe its somehow our responsibility and duty to correct every perceived wrong. i doubt very much that there was a single thought about the plight of the Iraqi people like was eventually stated by the Bush administration. they were concentrating on WMDs after all and were so certain they were right and that Saddam Hussein was a threat they allowed their judgments to shape the evidence instead of the other way around. which is why we get ourselves into trouble like we did with Iraq

[Infernra08]

I think at first it was an okay idea, but they should have just caught Hussien and then left, but they kept making more and more of a mess the longer they were there. Now they probably want to kill us more now that the US won't leave. I never did support the war on terror though because I don't like to have to worry about my friend's lives everyday and worry about getting that call that their dead... *Currently have 3 friends in Iraq atm*

[Paranoid007]

i have to remember that the "war on terror and the "war in Iraq" are two completely different animals or were at the beginning. the way some talk you'd think they were always one and the same, then again there are STILL people who think that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden worked together so i suppose there's no helping that...

[saekheart]

the us government says the war on terrorism is the right thing to do dont they? well terrorism means using violence to get wut u want. arent we terrorists also?

[btu]

the us government says the war on terrorism is the right thing to do dont they? well terrorism means using violence to get wut u want. arent we terrorists also?

No cause we know the difference between right / wrong -- Most people do - just depends if you act on it. Also for everyone to remembert, you can look at one side of a tree your whole life and think you know everything about that tree. Then when you finaly walk around to the other side it can be complety different, something you never thought it could be. But since you only knew the one side of it you judge the tree the way you saw it. But you never looked at it from the other view till now. Point being don't judge till you see the whole picture.

The average person in afghanistan/iraq are happy we are there -- again its a select few that hate us "americans/Un forces" being there and its the same people who want power ...

Source - being in afghanistan sep 07 - mar 08 / also friends who been to iraq

[Ascendancy]

of course we should! the detroyed our twin towers and pentagon! we need to totally annihilate them to show the world who is boss

That kind of thinking won't get you very far. Also, you got it wrong, Al Qaida were the ones who said they were responsible for the attack on the Twin towers, not Iraq.

I am going to challenge you on that post which you have just made there.

You think that solving problems with violence is right?
annihilate

That statement sounds as if you're happy with all the slaughtering, innocent people lose family members, they haven't done anything, it's in the word "innocent". Little children losing limbs, it's plain sad.

show the world who is boss

You do know that although America is the strongest nation, with countries like China appearing it won't be for long if it doesn't learn how to become a team player, that way it can ensure it stays at the top.

I don't like politics and also, I don't want to sound harsh, but understand you can hurt other's feelings through your words. It makes me upset that there are people who laugh out in happiness at the fact that there are people getting killed. It doesn't matter who's getting killed, it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong and inhumane.

[Pain Akatsuki]

I believe the Goverment is just using 9/11 as an excuse to go to Iraq for war

1: more thing this is just my opinion but the U.S goverment is Corrupted

[saekheart]

i hate the u.s. government too. and wut do u mean by team player? the reason for teamwork is cuz u cant do something by urself. ascendancy, i dont enjoy watchin others suffer but unfortunatly violence IS the answer. wy do u think we wage war?

[lildragongirl19]

1: more thing this is just my opinion but the U.S goverment is Corrupted

In many cases, it's true. Greed is a horrible human fault, and it can lead a person with such influence astray. Any good intention can transform into a terrible deed that affects hundreds.

But is there such a place where that doesn't exist? There is a wonderful quote from Abraham Lincoln that can relate to this:

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

[Ascendancy]

the reason for teamwork is cuz u cant do something by urself.

Have you ever heard of the European Union? It's a union with twenty seven members. Now, I'll mention three members, Germany, Britain and France. These three are the largest and most powerful nations in the world. I wonder why big countries like these would enter a Union together? It's because it makes them more powerful, not just through arms, but economically as well. They help each other economically, this keeps them strong. There are some disadvantages to having a Union such as sharing laws, but the advantages, in my opinion outweighs this. Neighbouring countries Saek usually buy products of each other, now imagine if the country next to you taxed you everytime you exported your goods over there? How much money would you save if say that tax was abolished? A **** of a lot. Teaming doesn't mean that you get weaker, no, it helps you over come struggles, it gives you something to lean on.
If you haven't happened to notice, America isn't the only in the war, no, it's getting help, so looking at it from this perspective, are you saying that America can't do nothing by itself? Think it through.

unfortunatly violence IS the answer. wy do u think we wage war?

For some it is, but the cleverer have learnt other ways to cripple a nation rather than having to have an outright fight with another with another which would mean you waste your resources as well as put your country in danger.

Saekheart, you don't have to answer this question if you don't want to but, how old are you?

Anyway, I don't want to be posting on this thread anymore if it can be helped.

[saekheart]

Anyway, I don't want to be posting on this thread anymore if it can be helped.


it seems all threads in the hall of elders r pointless since we keep goin around in circles and nobody will change their opinions.

btw if u wanna know how old i am then look on the age range poll

[btu]

First I realy suggest people to get the real facts about whats going on and not judge what you "THINK" is going on based off the news. The news has a focus on only the bad things that happen and almost never the good. No matter what bad thing you think happens that our goverment does, usaly there is a good that outweighs it.

[PhantomProductions]

First I realy suggest people to get the real facts about whats going on and not judge what you "THINK" is going on based off the news. The news has a focus on only the bad things that happen and almost never the good. No matter what bad thing you think happens that our government does, usualy there is a good that outweighs it.

The guy has a really good point. Have you asked the troops what they think? I've heard many testify that Iraq wasn't pointless, that the majority love them and that they're really grateful to the U.S. for bringing down Saddam. Hussein committed the genocide of several million Kurds in Northern Iraq using many of the typical genocidal means as well as CHEMICAL WEAPONS which do match the WMD classification. He was a tyrant and so much of a control freak that everything centered around him, from education, to the artwork in private dwellings. One Iraqi woman during the initial Baghdad occupation stated that the first thing a newborn was to see was a painted portrait of Saddam. Besides that, we were responsible for placing Hussein in the position of power he had. He was our responsibility.

You also shouldn't trust the news because they are biased, I don't care what station you watch. Figures lie and liars figure.

[KillAchieved]

If what the news tells you actually happens... the world would be dead in a matter of minutes.

[Paranoid007]

Iraq may be better off without Saddam Hussein but that doesn't mean the war was a correct action to take. there are many places in the world that would be much more well off without their current leaders but we aren't invading them to bring "freedom" and "democracy" to their country now are we?

[KillAchieved]

Iraq may be better off without Saddam Hussein but that doesn't mean the war was a correct action to take. there are many places in the world that would be much more well off without their current leaders but we aren't invading them to bring "freedom" and "democracy" to their country now are we?

so true. why start wars? i change my view to match urs.

[Hachie]

I've just read through most of the comments left on here but am not gonna get too invovled.
however, i completetly agree with some of the things Ascden said and Paranoid.

[Jack.]

of course we should! the detroyed our twin towers and pentagon! we need to totally annihilate them to show the world who is boss

hahaha one of the most ignorant thing's i've ever seen anyone post!

[Hachie]

I actually lol'd at that particular post xD

[Jack.]

I actually lol'd at that particular post xD

yer, they're 14 almost 15 according to a post a while back

[Xamey]

If the Us the had left So soon The country would have fallen into a state of anarchy Because they would have no one to Govern or lead them.

[Lord Knikon]

The question that I truly have to ask myself is why do people make posts like this?

A messageboard is supposed to be a place where people try to discuss various topics, but when you have a thread like this all it truly ends up becoming is one large thread of people disagreeing that usually results in things being said that are just foolish.

It just turns into one large arguement with both sides blasting their point of view and neither side giving an inch.

I kind of have to laugh at that. Isn't that how most wars start in the first place :laughing2dw:

Anyway, to stay on topic I will say this. While I do not agree with all of the things that happened over this Iraq situation, I can not say that I will not sleep better at night knowing that Saddam Hussein is dead. The man was a terror on the world who shot and killed members of his own family because he was scaried that they might overthrow him. He killed untold amounts of people and I am glad that he is dead.

Do I agree with everything about the war? No, but the President and congress and the senate did not call me up to ask my opinion on the matter.

What I do know, is that if we had just left those people to their fate after we killed him and let someone else use what was left of his army to take control after he was dead then we would have accomlished nothing, and all of the men and women that died over there would have been a complete waste.

Do I think we should still be over there now? No, but again the President does not call to ask for my advice.

Now, I have said my views without insulting anyone's view on the matter. You have the right to believe what you wish one way or the other, but at least try to share your opinions in a respectful manner.

Guys, this name calling and disrespecting of other people's view points and just childish...

There is no other word for it.

I have said my peace.

[Gunsguru]

A messageboard is supposed to be a place where people try to discuss various topics, but when you have a thread like this all it truly ends up becoming is one large thread of people disagreeing that usually results in things being said that are just foolish.


You mean....the hall of elders was never this? BLASPHEMY!

Also
of course we should! the detroyed our twin towers and pentagon! we need to totally annihilate them to show the world who is boss

****YEAR 'MERICA

Ok, not really. Although I love the country I live in, I do believe we should stop meddling in the affairs of others and get our own **** straightened out first. Like, not having any sort of healthcare coverage, our crap economy, yah know, jazz like that.

[Number 13]

@Gunsguru

The problem with that is simple: If you don't keep an eye on what your neighbors are doing thier problems can become yours. If you don't eliminate terrorist everywhere then how are we supposed to protect ourselves?

However, your right in saying that we need to get our sh*t together. The USA should lessen thier global interventions and focus alittle more on whats happening in our own country.

[Gunsguru]

@Gunsguru

The problem with that is simple: If you don't keep an eye on what your neighbors are doing thier problems can become yours. If you don't eliminate terrorist everywhere then how are we supposed to protect ourselves?

However, your right in saying that we need to get our sh*t together. The USA should lessen thier global interventions and focus alittle more on whats happening in our own country.

Yeah, I'll agree with you on that. But we don't need to make it our priority, such as it has become. We need to let other countries be a part of the fight. Well, we do it now, but what I'm saying is that they should also be equal fighting forces against terrorism along with us.

It's their problem also.

But then again....keeping an "eye" on something, doesn't include invading a country and endless fighting.