4-20 (Weed Day)

[apandhi]

For those of you who dont know today is Weed Day in the states. This brings up the question, Should marijuana, or any drug, be legalized?

Your thoughts?

[imagination]

Marajuhwahnuh is legal, the medical kind lol with the a doctors prescription lol.

[apandhi]

I meant for recreactional use.
In california it is. You're allowed to have up to an OZ. of pot on you at a time

[jyoung.amv]

:laughing2dw: 4-20 :shifty4ib:sweeeeet
but ya on a serous not i think they should just legalize it mostly because its less harmful than tobacco, and it has many health benefits doctors can us.

[Fletchaaa]

Just because it's less harmful than tobacco doesn't mean it should be legal.

[FalseMemorySyndrome]

There's been a lot of research that states that drinking a regular amount of alcohol is a lot more damaging then regular drug usage. I also can't help but wonder how governments illegalize drugs while alcohol causes a lot more deaths.

[Sleeps]

So is this what my teacher mean't by saying "Happy 4-20 everyone"? He likes to make jokes. Also heard another kid say "today is 4-20" in a different class. So I was wondering.

[deathfire123]

No. Should not be legalized. I have made my points as to why in another thread. Good day

[Kusanagi]

You know what else it is? Hitler's birthday.

You know what my birthday is? The day Hitler died (not the year).

[Tidus]

Should be only aloud through prescription from a doctor for a terminal illness. There are people who start with weed just because it does less damage than cigarettes and makes you feel better, but what eventually happens is a tolerance is built to the weed and they begin to seek out a better buzz and start to turn to other drugs.

And this is where the problem is, that these "other" drugs are the ones that do way more damage than cigarettes do. It should be for medicinal use on patients under chronic pain. Medicinal use only.]

On a more personal oppinion i look down at people who seek drugs for a buzz because of weak will...Its just down right degrading.

[metazoxan]

There's been a lot of research that states that drinking a regular amount of alcohol is a lot more damaging then regular drug usage. I also can't help but wonder how governments illegalize drugs while alcohol causes a lot more deaths.

Well they did illegalize alcohol but everyone ignored the law and drank it illegally so they repealed the law. There were just to many people breaking the law to enforce it so they finally let it be legal.You know what else it is? Hitler's birthday.

You know what my birthday is? The day Hitler died (not the year).

Yeah someone told me that. It's kind of ironic that a drug has a holiday on hitlers birthday. I bet he probably used drugs since he was clearly crazy. But to answer the question I don't think it should be legalized because the last thing we need is even more drugs floating around. But if it is I don't see things being too bad. People were getting it illegaly anyway and it's not like it's meth or anything like that. Plus if it's legal the govenment can tax it and get some more money flowing into the economy. It's better than letting it flow through the black market.

[btu]

I meant for recreactional use.
In california it is. You're allowed to have up to an OZ. of pot on you at a time

Its not legal, they just won't send you to jail for it. Reason is cause their jails are over flowing and they have no place to put people.

[Eraser Rain]

It should be legal, I made some special brownies today at work in celebration, they were wonderful. :laughing2dw:

by the way, 4/20 is also Hitlers birthday, and the day of the Columbine shooting. It was an eventful day in history.

[metazoxan]

It should be legal, I made some special brownies today at work in celebration, they were wonderful. :laughing2dw:

by the way, 4/20 is also Hitlers birthday, and the day of the Columbine shooting. It was an eventful day in history.

wow what else happened on 4/20?

[Watermonkey319]

wow what else happened on 4/20?


Carmen Electra was born. chills.

[metazoxan]

Carmen Electra was born. chills.

who?:huh::huh:

[Watermonkey319]

Carmen Electra (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Carmen+Electra)

Done and done!

[Eraser Rain]

clicks on link....(nosebleeds)

[oby100]

Weed shouldn't be legalized. The biggest issue, as said before, is that it makes a great gateway to drugs that will actually hurt you. There's other ways to have fun, so there's no need to have it this way.

On a related note, a new law was passed here in Massachusetts that lets people off with a $100 fine if caught with less then an ounce similar to the law in California. But an ounce is way too much for just a fine. With that much weed, you could be a small time drug dealer. I know this because my school has tons of weed and an acquaintance of mine grows and sells it. He doesn't need to carry more than an ounce to deal.

wow what else happened on 4/20?

Circa Survive released their new album today. Probably on purpose.

[Eraser Rain]

Appollo 16 landed on the moon.
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam was born.
L. Ron Hubbord Exhibition Day for the Church of Scientology falls on 420, that actually makes a lot of sense. :laughing2dw:

[Noobs]

a lot really happened yesterday (my timezone).

[Claes]

Pot should be made legal and the government should tax the hell out of it.

[sik 07]

weed should be legal everyone smokes it anyway they may aswell legalize and make some money off it only prob is they wouldnt make as much as they do off alcohol and tobacco cos its insanly easy to grow it yourself

[Sano]

Pot should be made legal and the government should tax the hell out of it.

thats about the only reason I can see for making it legal.
I dont smoke btw.

[Scathian]

It really should be legalized already. Where i live(CA coast, south of Santa Cruz) i say about 40%-50%(if not more) of the people here smoke pot, and 5% of that is people who have it for medicinal purposes. It just a waste of the police's time and man-power to bust people for smoking pot, especially since they are gonna turn them loose right after.

Like Claes and the some others said, the government should tax the crap out of it just so they can make some money. They should legalize it on the same terms as alcohol and tobacco, u have to be a certain age to buy it(obviously), then include a 50% sales tax on it. But like sik said, it is really easy to grow it yourself so i imagine the sales wouldnt be that great in stores, maybe make the seeds expensive as hell.

I used to be a heavy smoker of the stuff for 4 years(smoked multiple bowls 5-7 times a day), been clean for a year now, and not once did i ever want to try another drug, except maybe shrooms but i never did. I say the reason pot got its stigma of "gateway drug" is becuz after smoking pot for awhile whoever they get their stuff from is also trying to push other drugs, its that whole "the first time is free" thing where they get you to try it, then you get hooked and keep buying it.


EDIT: I remembered something just now, i think this year in CA there is going to be a proposition whether or not to legalize pot....Aha, found it:
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2010 )
It lists the pros/cons of what could happen too.

[BlissfulAgony]

Like Claes and the some others said, the government should tax the crap out of it just so they can make some money.

This is why I DON'T want them to legalize it. The Gov't will tax the hell out of it and that will make it more expensive, so no thank you, I like my weed cheap, and tax free. lol also F*** 420. Seriously, that is just some straight up little kid stuff. lots of people that smoke on 420 think they're hardcore stoners just because they smoked on that day, and for some reason they think its cool and like to blog about it and s***. Idk about you guys but it just really pisses me off when people say stuff like "Happy 420!" or Let's smoke because it's 420!".

[sik 07]

lol the hole 420 things actually 4:20pm not april 20th anyway

[MrDuck]

We have a "Legalize cannabis party" here in NZ.... imma vote for them when I can xD.

Marijuana is not addictive, and as long as you dont go overboard no serious damage. People who go overboard will go overboard, a law saying you cant do it wont stop people who abuse it.

[Eraser Rain]

This is why I DON'T want them to legalize it. The Gov't will tax the hell out of it and that will make it more expensive, so no thank you, I like my weed cheap, and tax free. lol also F*** 420. Seriously, that is just some straight up little kid stuff. lots of people that smoke on 420 think they're hardcore stoners just because they smoked on that day, and for some reason they think its cool and like to blog about it and s***. Idk about you guys but it just really pisses me off when people say stuff like "Happy 420!" or Let's smoke because it's 420!".

"Little kid stuff". Alright, I'll just make up a more adult drug holiday. 5/20 National Crystal Meth Day. :laughing2dw:

[MrDuck]

TBH I dont know anyone who smokes pot on 4-20 and doesnt on any other day.... either they smoke or they dont...

I am now a supporter of 5-20 Crystal Meth day, lets make a Just Dubs petition :D

[BlissfulAgony]

"Little kid stuff". Alright, I'll just make up a more adult drug holiday. 5/20 National Crystal Meth Day. :laughing2dw:

Yea dude all the little kids that go around saying they're smoking weed on 420 because its cool is pretty childish to me.

[Moffie]

Hm.. Well. I dont really care if it is or not. People will do it anway regardless so i honestly dont mind. Especially since Swag is coming up! :3

[Scathian]

This is why I DON'T want them to legalize it. The Gov't will tax the hell out of it and that will make it more expensive, so no thank you, I like my weed cheap, and tax free. lol also F*** 420. Seriously, that is just some straight up little kid stuff. lots of people that smoke on 420 think they're hardcore stoners just because they smoked on that day, and for some reason they think its cool and like to blog about it and s***. Idk about you guys but it just really pisses me off when people say stuff like "Happy 420!" or Let's smoke because it's 420!".


But if they legalize it u can grow it yourself, then u dont have to pay for anything unless you grow it indoors, then u have bigger electric bill. I would personally grow my own over buying out of a store. But there are those that are too lazy to grow it them selves and they would buy it and waste a bunch of money. Unless u are the latter, u would save alot of money growing it yourself.

And i understand what u mean about it being childish about going around saying "Its 4-20, lets go smoke" those people are retarded and i want to hit them most of the time. When i used to smoke was just another day to smoke, that was about it. If i did anything different it would be me going over to my friends place or the beach to BBQ and we would smoke, but we already did that at least 2 times a month so even that was nothing different.

[Big Brother Diedrich]

I really wouldn't know because of the fact that I don't touch that crap.

[MrDuck]

I really wouldn't know because of the fact that I don't touch that crap.

Dont call it crap :'(

[Big Brother Diedrich]

Dont call it crap :'(


I call it crap because about 95% of them are just going to smoke it for their own fix.

[Scathian]

Yeah, its not crap. I had/have depression and insomnia issues and nothing helped me more than smoking marijuana. After i quit smoking i found that i didnt have the depression anymore(i was seriously thinking of killing myself for awhile) but i still have trouble sleeping so i occasionally take sleeping pills. Not saying that pot is a cure-all, just saying that it helped me deal with some mental issues.

Although the depression could have been attributed to my parents cuz of reasons, so leaving home my have helped that more than smoking the ganja. Still, i will probably not smoke pot again until they legalize it, and if/when they do i will smoke it only to help me get to sleep, i dont like taking pills that much.

[Eraser Rain]

Dont call it crap :'(


It is if you think about it, like half the stuff you buy off the street was smuggled here from Mexico in some guy's...

Thats why ya gotta grow your own. (I'll bet 5 minuites after I post this, the DEA kicks down the door to my house)

[Scathian]

It is if you think about it, like half the stuff you buy off the street was smuggled here from Mexico in some guy's...

Thats why ya gotta grow your own. (I'll bet 5 minuites after I post this, the DEA kicks down the door to my house)

Lol, i forgot about Mex stuff. Yeah, that stuff has made me physically sick smoking it b4. And i dont think they hide weed in their colons, lol.

I remember something on the news where they built a ramp or something to drive a truck over the wall and the truck was full of weed. They apparently were doing it for a few years till they got caught. I guess they dismantled and reassembled the ramp everytime they did it.

EDIT: Found it, i was wrong about the ramp though, wonder how that got mixed in. Anyway, its the first little paragraph on the left, thats the one i remember hearing in the news. I guess there were multiple busts on the same day. Crazy

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/agents-31610-truck-patrol.html

[Oblivion*420]

So maybe I'm just lazy and don't feel like reading any more than the first page... but... Every forum I've ever been on that posts this topic has the same bullcrap. There's all the people who smoke pot that are all "yeah dude it should totally be legal dude!" and then there's the people who don't smoke and (please don't take offense) don't know much about it saying how it's bad/illegal/causes cancer/leads to other drug use/whatever... SO! My ranting begins:
First of all - YES marijuana is a DRUG! And all drugs affect individuals differently, illegal or otherwise. All drugs can be addicting in some way - even things like Caffeine and Energy drinks! But even tho it is a drug "Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose." It is also extremely useful for medicinal purposes. "Marijuana, or cannabis, as it is more appropriately called, has been part of humanity's medicine chest for almost as long as history has been recorded.

Of all the negative consequences of marijuana prohibition, none is as tragic as the denial of medicinal cannabis to the tens of thousands of patients who could benefit from its therapeutic use.

Modern research suggests that cannabis is a valuable aid in the treatment of a wide range of clinical applications. These include pain relief -- particularly of neuropathic pain (pain from nerve damage) -- nausea, spasticity, glaucoma, and movement disorders. Marijuana is also a powerful appetite stimulant, specifically for patients suffering from HIV, the AIDS wasting syndrome, or dementia. Emerging research suggests that marijuana's medicinal properties may protect the body against some types of malignant tumors and are neuroprotective."
As for the whole "Gateway drug" and "abuse" issue, this is from NORML's "Principles of Responsible Cannabis Use"
"IV. Resist Abuse
Use of cannabis, to the extent that it impairs health, personal development or achievement, is abuse, to be resisted by responsible cannabis users.

Abuse means harm. Some cannabis use is harmful; most is not. That which is harmful should be discouraged; that which is not need not be.

Wars have been waged in the name of eradicating "drug abuse", but instead of focusing on abuse, enforcement measures have been diluted by targeting all drug use, whether abusive or not. If cannabis abuse is to be targeted, it is essential that clear standards be developed to identify it. "
"There is no conclusive evidence that the effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent use of other illicit drugs. Preliminary animal studies alleging that marijuana "primed" the brain for other drug-taking behavior have not been replicated, nor are they supported by epidemiological human data. Statistically, for every 104 Americans who have tried marijuana, there is only one regular user of cocaine, and less than one user of heroin. Marijuana is clearly a "terminus" rather than a gateway for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers.

For those minority of marijuana smokers who do graduate to harder substances, it is marijuana prohibition -- which forces users to associate with the illicit drug black market -- rather than the use of marijuana itself, that often serves as a doorway to the world of hard drugs. The more users become integrated in an environment where, apart from cannabis, hard drugs can also be obtained, the greater the chances they will experiment with harder drugs.

In Holland, where politicians decided over 25 years ago to separate marijuana from the illicit drug market by permitting coffee shops all over the country to sell small amounts of marijuana to adults, individuals use marijuana and other drugs at rates less than half of their American counterparts. "
Did you ever think about THat one?? IF you didn't have to have a drug dealer to get your pot, you probably wouldn't be able to get crack or meth or heroin and therefore would be FAR LESS LIKELY to do them!!! AND in addition to that, Marijuana is commonly used to help addicts of hard drugs win the battle and become SOBER!!!!
OK so since this post is getting super long, if you want to know anything else about Marijuana please PLEASE do some research from a reliable source such as the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) (http://norml.org/index.cfm)
Also useful: their FAQ's (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3418#question7) answers a lot of the issues brought up in this topic.
Oh yeah, anything in quotes was taken from norml.org, cuz they got the best info and make more sense than I do :D

One last thing, to anyone who thinks it's "cool" to smoke on 4/20, there's really nothing special about it. It's not a secret code for anything. There's nothing behind this except for some kids who met up every day after school at 4:20 pm to smoke weed back in the 70's, and most kids that smoke do this because it's just a convenient time to meet up. My school got out at 4pm, so by 4:20 you can get a bag of weed and meet at your friend's house to smoke. There's seriously nothing "cool" or "hardcore" about it...
ALSO if you are under the age of 18 you should not smoke pot. Just because I did doesn't make it ok. And NO, it will never make you cool. Neither will smoking cigarettes. I learned this one the hard way. BUT since kids that smoke will insist that there's nothing wrong with it, just BE SAFE and know where you get your stuff from!!!

I seriously hope this post educated and helped at least ONE person!
♥ Mako ♥

[Oblivion*420]

Dude... did I scare everyone away from this thread?? My bad...

[MrDuck]

It is if you think about it, like half the stuff you buy off the street was smuggled here from Mexico in some guy's...

Thats why ya gotta grow your own. (I'll bet 5 minuites after I post this, the DEA kicks down the door to my house)

I live in NZ, everything here is home grown :)

[Eraser Rain]

Lol, i forgot about Mex stuff. Yeah, that stuff has made me physically sick smoking it b4. And i dont think they hide weed in their colons, lol.

I remember something on the news where they built a ramp or something to drive a truck over the wall and the truck was full of weed. They apparently were doing it for a few years till they got caught. I guess they dismantled and reassembled the ramp everytime they did it.

EDIT: Found it, i was wrong about the ramp though, wonder how that got mixed in. Anyway, its the first little paragraph on the left, thats the one i remember hearing in the news. I guess there were multiple busts on the same day. Crazy

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/agents-31610-truck-patrol.html

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jawdrop1: 923 pounds of weed in one truck. AWESOME!!!!!!!!

[oby100]

If they made weed completely legal and just taxed it as much as cigarettes, I don't think it would work out. Most people would still grow it at home, and putting weed production into the hands of big companies wouldn't be a great idea either. Tons of crap would end up in the marijuana just like they do in cigarettes, and I would be surprised if a lot of big cigarette companies didn't try to get in on this. That would just make it even more likely that things like rat poison will end up in your weed, and then it will cause definite health risks.

[Eraser Rain]

Thats true that the companies would put all sorts of toxins in the weedette's. But I think they sould sell seeds. But make it illegal to grow them outside, then the uvlightbulb companies, electric companies, soil, pots (pots for pot). etc... they would make mad money if they did that. I know I'd have a whole farm in my apartment.